On Living to 105...

[wildbears]

Testosterone (and growth hormone) levels and type of exercise.

For men, HIIT and resistence training may increase levels of these hormones.

OTOH, too much cardio, not balanced by the above, may decrease T levels.

SEE: https://www.healthline.com/health/do...e-testosterone

[955i]

I think the research is beyond speculative at this point. Multiple studies tend to agree. However, the amount of increase is pretty small. But, what can it hurt?

[wildbears]

Can exercise stop one in three cases of depression? A third of people at risk of mental health issue could avoid it with regular workouts, study shows...link..

[justjoe]

This whole thread is weird to me. Who wants to live to >insert a number<? That seems superficial to me. I want to live as long as I can live if you know what I mean. If I am sick, debilitated, and enfeebled, what is the purpose? I don't want to be a burden on my children or my spouse. Take Tyson for example... he's old yet relatively healthy and active. That is a life worth living. But if his dusty old ass was laid up in a lift chair, wearing diapers (not that there's anything wrong with your diapers Tyson, get your freak on) I am sure 71 looks way worse.

Doug is just glad I didn't mention him! BTW, Doug was 72 and we were still doing young kid shit in the woods on death machines!

[justjoe]

At first, I wondered if you were talking about you or me, then I realized yes. Yes, you are talking about you and me!!

[Loggiebone]

Yup! Lol!???

[955i]

Being fit is more than being just a pretty face, Joe. So we both still have a chance!
AND, it's unseemly to TRY to act young. It's perfectly fine to do crazy young kid shit on death machines just for the hell of it. As the saying goes, Just DO it!

[Capnrip]

Lots of studies out there, and then there's Keith Richards and Willie Nelson. I guess they're called outliers.

[Capnrip]

And not a big fan of BMI, doesn't take into account a lot of things, mostly muscle. Emmitt Smith was 5' 9" and 208 when he played for the Cowboys. He would have been classed as morbidly obese.

[justjoe]

Agreed with that assessment of BMI. I entered the military at 6'3" and 220lbs. Classified as overweight. After basic training, AIT, and then airborne school I weighed 245 and was classified as obese.

[wildbears]

HIIT (high intensity interval training) and Cancer

A recent study in Israel suggests intensive exercise may decrease the spread of cancer. It is proposed that the low blood glucose levels during exercise have an adverse effect on cancer cells.

It may also limit growth of the primary lesion and even prevent initial inception of a cancer.

[wildbears]

Reference:
Running reduces the chance of some cancers by 72%, Israeli scientists find: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...cancers-by-72/
Peer-reviewed study from Tel Aviv University shows aerobic activity conditions organs to snatch sugar away from tumors, impairing their ability to grow and spread

[wildbears]

Aerobic exercise also strengthens the immune system and promotes neovascularity. Wondering if these could be additional mechanisms.

[wildbears]

[Loggiebone]

[wildbears]

I was wondering how to determine body fat without a scale or referring to a BMI table. Just throwing these out and probably not scientific.

A. Lower rib contours visible indicates "trim".

B. Abdominal pinch fat thickness. This might not work if you can't see the rib contours. And allows measurement in the trim to athletically trim range.

C. Visible six pack indicates "athletically trim".

For those with normal weight metabolic syndrome, you might need to be at "C". (OTOH, see the Henry Kissinger info in post #13.).

[802Mike]

Just checked this thread out... at a glance I thought it was something different.

Getting a good workout in every weekday morning before anything else every
day is key for me. But I don't over do it so much that I'm too exhausted to do
anything else the rest of the morning,
The key is to make time for it and a working stiff like myself just couldn't do it
in the past so easily. I used to be up at 4:00, to the gym and then to work by
8:00. Now that I'm slowing down the work I'm up at 5:00 and do everything
here at home. No running for me and biking is out for now but would like a
gravel bike sometime. I warm up with the elliptical for 30 minutes every day
then circuit weights training M,W and Fri. Many days, weather permitting I'll
do a three mile brisk walk.
Just turned 69 and still working in a trade that requires physical strength and
stamina. I haul water treatment and softening equipment into homes and the
old ones out. I say that I'm training so I can keep going...
Last spring on my month long ride I was very thankful that I did that too.

[Pete_Tallahassee]

I just did 9500 steps and never left my backyard. I cut down a tree and cut it up. The trunk was too big for me to get my arms around.

[955i]

Pete, a friend of mine is a US Forest Ranger with 35 years of experience. Although he's a supervisor, he still gets after it. Cutting down a large dead tree a couple of weeks ago, it got hung and jumped back at him. Broke his leg in three places. Be careful out there!

[802Mike]

Sounds like he wasn't paying attention to what can happen and maybe got too comfortable.
Shit can happen, life is like a chess game.... Gotta be thinking ahead all the time.

[955i]

I have been doing some very low heart rate aerobic training for about two months. It is championed by a doctor and athletic trainer named Phil Maffetone. Anyway, I've gone anaerobic big time the last several days. 5K of fartlecks a few days ago. The last 2 and 1/2 miles of a 10K yesterday, and a 5K full out today. It's hard to believe you'd go anaerobic at a 10:00/mile pace, but I was all in today at that pace.

Anyway, Wildbears' posts encouraged me to intentionally add more anaerobic S.H.I.T. workouts to my routine. (Special High Intensity Training) I prefer just screwing around, but need to work at it instead.

[802Mike]

After each circuit I do 100 crunches and then stretch.
The stretching is my rest.... oh geez that feels soooo... good!

[955i]

Mike, I did my first real weight training starting January 2021. Three times a week consistently until this summer. There was a 3 month hiatus for a number of reasons, but I'm back now. Our small town has a nice community center with well equipped weight rooms for men and for women. I have always been reasonably consistent with simple sit-ups and push-ups over my lifetime. When on the NCAA soccer team in college, we were supposed to do weight training, but really we just screwed around. LOL

[wildbears]

Most thoracic back pain is due to muscle spasms. Weight training can help eliminate it. And it doesn't take much.

[wildbears]

Length of stay in a nursing home time versus caloric intake.

A study of caloric intake in mice, done decades ago, had surprising results. The group given unlimited food was less physically active and lived shorter. The restricted calorie group lived twice as long, was more active, and lived longer. But, counterintuitively, the restricted group, when the time came, passed on more quickly. That is, they did not linger as long.

[wildbears]

why-everything-you-think-about-aging-may-be-wrong

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-eve...ightTopStories

[cabnfvr]

You can over think this, over analyze it, work the numbers any way you want, but the true secret to living to 105 is so simple. Just wake up.

[wildbears]

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/just-4...s-study-finds/

[Doctor350]

The best thing to do to live longer is to remain in so much debt that not living too long would be a relief.

And the banks won't allow that

[955i]

I worked 6 hours today in Oklahoma's 100F heat. Apparently there was some sort of "heat advisory" that people should curb strenuous outdoor activities after 10:00 o'clock this morning, especially the "elderly." I edged, mowed and weed-eated our local Rotary Park today. It's a public park with about a 1/5 mile of edging and a ton of obstacles to trim around. We have been behind this summer due to regular rains until last week.

SO --- does this count for vigorous exercise, or is it too much aerobic?

[802Mike]

As long as you were drinking plenty of water, replenishing electrolytes.... and sweating, you
were probably alright.
Also not in direct sunlight.
Vermont is the second highest state (per capita) for melanoma cancer. We just don't think
that there is that much sunlight here and don't protect from it.

[wildbears]

Cyclists are usually heat acclimatized.

[955i]

Another day in the 100;s but I didn't work out in it as long yesterday. After work, 10 of us started a 28-mile ride to Stillwater for beer and Mexican food. It was 104F for the first part of the ride, but there was some shade toward the end. My bike's Garmin then said it was 94F. It actually felt nice.

We all made it safely, though one of our youngish (38) women stopped at the brewery for a beer to re-hydrate!