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    Are expensive add-on lights worth it?

    I've been watching some of my pals put Clearwater lights on their bikes for years and when I've ridden with them at night have been amazed at how much light they can throw down the road. I've never pulled the trigger on buying them because, well, I still have one more kid to send to college and they are pretty crazy pricey - or so I've thought. Their mid-range solutions are several hundred dollars and the top end of their products are over $1,400 for a pair of 10,000+ lumen lights. *choke*

    Over the past few years I've seen a few friends go with a much cheaper option like the Denali lights and there's a company I've only learned about recently, RubyMoto, that is making what looks like really high quality, very high output Clearwater competitor lights for much less. OK, that has me intrigued and thinking about spending only $400-$500 vs. a mortgage payment for the Clearwater lights. Then I rode at the BRPR with BillGsa following me around with his $20 add-on lights from Amazon and will say that there's no way you're going to miss seeing those things if being conspicuous is your goal.

    That leaves me with the question - Lumen ratings all being equal, what makes one set of lights worth 20 - 50x the price over these pretty robust looking lights I can get on Amazon? I've sent both Clearwater and RubyMoto that very question and I'm waiting to hear what they have to say but I find myself motivated to add light to my ride. I've been caught out at night in the woods on a dirt road where it was darker than the inside of inside of a well digger's boot, and hey, I own a GS so putting shit like this on my bike is practically mandatory. So, I've started experimenting.

    Being conspicuous is a nice goal but I'm looking to have lights so bright that I have to turn them down to 50% power when there's a fire ban in the area. Dazzling light to oncoming traffic is OK but I'm feeling the need to light up the night. I already had the BMW OEM add-on driving lights on my GS that I'm sure made me a bit more visible but did little more than light up the ditches about 20' in front of the bike. After a bit of research, it seemed advisable to start with an an intelligent accessory control module like a Hex EZcan to enable CANBUS control of whatever lights I put on the bike. Before installing the EZcan, I did a BMW CANBUS lightectomy:



    Aside from pulling off all the Tupperware on the bike, the EZcan install was pretty, uh, easy. My first experiment was following in BillGsa's footsteps and ordering a set of $20 lights that claimed 12,800 lumens of output and I mounted them up to the posts that previously held the BMW lights:



    Yeah, I know. They're ugly but so is a GS so with that in mind, they're attractive in a weird functional sort of way. By the way, that is a mind-set that is required of every GS/GSA owner so don't judge me. I got out last night to see how they'd perform and while I didn't set any bushes on fire on the side of the road - yet - I felt like I got a considerable improvement over the headlight/BMW add-on light solution I had before. That was $200 for the EZcan controller and $20 for the lights. Hence, my question - are expensive add-on lights worth the difference in price? What am I missing?

    Now that I have the platform for mounting any 2 wire light set on the bike, I may go experimenting in the more premium priced aisle of the scooter lighting stores but only if they'll let me send them back if they're not much better than the $20 lights. I'm left wondering if these companies like Clearwater have been caught by the Chinese and are being price crushed by lights made by slave labor and currency manipulation? I'm all about buying American even for 2 - 3x the price but I don't see Clearwater dropping the price on their $1400 option to less than $100.
    Last edited by Pittsdriverwes; 07-04-2021, 08:14 AM.

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    HI Wes, For at least 2-3 years back I have been kicking around the idea of more lighting. The R15's look to fit the middle-of-the-road for price and needs for riding in the dark. Thank you for doing the ground work searching for a good product. Looks like your GSA only needs a 120mm barrel hanging off the front end to have a bonafide alternative to the M1 Abrams!
    Cut with a curse sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul, damned is your life!

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      #3
      I added two sets of Denali lights on my GS. One set on the front axle and one up higher under the beak. I also have the ez can and a blinking brake light. I don't know if they are worth all that money, but I feel relatively sure that they won't get any water in them. I really bought the front lights to be seen more than to see at night. One thing I found out after adding 4 lights to the front is that the bike won't pass VA state inspection (can only add 2 lights to the front). When it's time for inspection, I just unscrew the axle lights and tuck the wires up under the cowl. no problem. f'n va.
      Last edited by allikanbe; 07-24-2021, 06:15 AM.

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        #4
        I have the CW lights and don't regret it. I can adjust the intensity, they
        flash at 100% to get someone's attention or flash when I hit the horn.
        The brake light flashes and is programmable.

        I run at 20% because I felt that anything more was annoying oncoming
        drivers. They have removable covers, both clear and amber, I run the
        amber during the day.

        I didn't pay any where near $1400 for the set-up at the MOA Rally a few
        years ago.

        I find riding in front of someone with really bright lights distracting. It's like
        riding away from the sun and seeing it in my mirrors.
        CW was really good when I wanted to move the lights to the stock driving
        lights' location and sent me the correct brackets.

        Right now, more than ever, I'm trying to buy American Made !!


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          #5
          I did the EzCan and 20$ addition to the GShey and have no regrets...dropping the bike and breaking one of these is only going to annoy me and not break the bank.

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          • BillGsa
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          #6
          Don't get me wrong guys. I'm not casting any shade at any vendor for how they price their products and I know the difference in cost vs. value based pricing. Hey, I was in the software business and had to answer that question all the time about "how can you charge so much when you're only copying an image of your software to sell me." I've ridden with guys that had Clearwater lights and the light they threw off was pretty amazing. I was hoping someone here could explain if there's a real value in them vs. going with the really cheap Chinese solutions.

          And now since I've made that comment about where these lights are from, let me add that I'm all about buying American and would happily do so if they were only 2 - 3x the price but I don't see Clearwater dropping their price on a pair of Super Sevina's from $1,400 to < $100.

          I've also written to both Clearwater and RubyMoto with these questions offering them the opportunity to help me understand what value I get for the prices they charge. I'll post up what I find out.

          I hear nothing but high praise about Clearwater - an impeccable reputation for how they do business and stand behind their products. Clearly (no pun intended) there's no comparison to what I'd expect with the Amazon sourced light pods from China - don't know if they'd honor a warranty or take them back if I'm not happy. I may find out while exploring lighting options. I thought I might get out last night but the fireworks party spilled over too late. It looks like tonight is going to be a good time for a first real test. I'll get some photos and video to show the difference.

          I'm a big fan of supporting my local businesses and buying American when possible even if I have to pay a bit more. I understand the sentiment to avoid Amazon/Chinese sources of products and I too have had a few bad experiences (INNOVV cameras were horrible quality). It won't be in my plan to spend several hundred dollars on anything off the Amazon/Chinese store. But $20? $50? Maybe even $150? to see if I can get a solution comparable to the $600 - $1000+ solutions - that might be something I'd risk.

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          • 802Mike
            802Mike commented
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            You're comparing apples to oranges. For the price I got
            a lot more things besides just the lights.

          • Pittsdriverwes
            Pittsdriverwes commented
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            Can you elaborate further on your apples and oranges comment? With a ezcan, I get all the configurability and CANBUS integration for automatically switching between night and day modes; can have it turn off the lights if I activate the turn signal; and strobe the lights when I activate the horn. That was a $200 cost just to start this light exploration project. I'd really love to know what makes a 10,000 lumen Clearwater light better than a 12,000 lumen cheap Chinese light on Amazon? Talking about just the product - I've no doubt that Glen at Clearwater would take great care of any request made about his products. The Chinese suppliers, I'm thinking not so much.

          • 802Mike
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            #8
            If I keep what I've got on the bike right now it's $200 for the ezcan, $17 for the pair of lights. I've got Skene P3 photon blasters on the rear that are crazy effective and can't remember what I paid for them but it wasn't several hundred dollars. The OEM rear lights on my GS are criminally poor and don't get how they got those past NTHSA so the P3s where a great purchase. Ask BillGsa or MattB that followed me around at the BRPR how noticeable those P3s are.

            I'll probably stick out this search a bit longer and try to find a longer reach cheap light set and if that works I'll have another <$50 in this experimental lighting project. I figure at the end of all this if I break down and buy Ruby Moto or Denali lights I'll only have less than $100 worth of lights I'll find a home for somewhere else so no worries. If no one ever asks the question we'll never know if there are competitors creeping up on Clearwater with great lights at a much cheaper price point. As great as the Clearwater lights are, I won't spend that kind of money on a light solution. Somebody's got to come along and do better at a fraction of the price. That somebody is looking more and more like Ruby Moto:

            https://www.rubymoto.com

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            • 802Mike
              802Mike commented
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              Those look like quality lights..... and that they copied Clearwater ?

            • EricM
              EricM commented
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              you probably got a set of Flood lamps for 17$ order a second set of same but Beem and mix and match both for long and short range coverage.

            • Pittsdriverwes
              Pittsdriverwes commented
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              Doesn't sound like they "copied" so much as set out to engineer what would be the best light available for much less money. The Ruby Moto story is on the web site and the owner/designer has weighed in on ADVrider with some additional information. It's a brandy new start up. I've sent in a few requests for information and haven't yet heard back so I'm not sure if they're real or wannabe? Having more than once been a part of the start-up team of a technology product I know there's a lot more to execution than a great idea and even great engineering.

            #9
            I've found a few options on Ebay that claim to offer more of a driving/spot beam pattern that seem to check all the boxes - IP68 waterproof, heat dissipation, aluminum construction, and mounting method. Unfortunately, these will be on a slow boat from China so it'll be a while before I get to provide an update. However, I did splurge a bit and spent $38 on these lights.

            There's a part of me that hopes this project fails because all these Cheap Chinese lights leave me with an unsatisfying result and good ol' 'merican ingenuity still reigns supreme. If I don't find long range light happiness at least I'll have a solution for conspicuity that didn't break the bank; and, better light for roaming around in the woods at night looking for a place to drop my tent.

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              • 802Mike
                802Mike commented
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                Probably, no.. mostly I was too busy to research much and went
                with the easy solution that checked all the boxes. They installed
                everything free and threw in some extras.
                Then afterwards I decided to change something and they sent the
                mounts I needed. When I called I talked to the same person that
                set up the lights at the rally.
                I'm in the service business and it's important to me to get good
                service after the sale.

              #11
              The slow boat from China finally arrived; got the lights swapped out on my GS; and got out last night for a short ride on some very, very dark roads. The results on light performance are outstanding.

              As I've mentioned before, I've never owned any of the premium brand lights on bikes so I don't have a good comparison but I have ridden with people that have the top end lights and always been envious of the light they throw down the road - but not enough to part with several hundred to over a thousand dollars for the solution.

              These lights seem to project as much light as far down the road as the premium brand lights that come in the 3 - 4", 6000 lumen rating offerings. These lights were advertised as a spot pattern and well lit the straight road in front of me for several hundred yards with no other ambient light present. So as far as I'm concerned, the light projected by these lights are as good as I would ever want. I'm running the Hex EZcan configured to put the lights at 20% power on low beams and while out riding around last night never once got flashed by anyone and I didn't see any illuminated faces of oncoming drivers. Switching to high beam they come on at 100%. I have them intentionally angled slightly downward so that the low power setting isn't blinding oncoming traffic. Could I get more range from elevating the beam slightly? Maybe, but if I did I'd probably just have them turned off at night on the low beam which might be a fine solution to get a bit more range out of them on high.

              https://www.ebay.com/itm/203254564846

              Other questions left to be answered are: will they last through rugged all weather use? If I have any problem with the lights will there be any customer support? Those are questions for which there seems to be no doubt on the answer from the premium light suppliers. The only way I'll know these answers is with time but my thinking is this: if they fail and aren't replaced by the manufacturer then I've only spent $38 on them. If they're crap and fail, I'll reevaluate their value and continue looking but for now, they look like pretty high quality lights that are doing the job.

              Buying American is important to me but it's hard to over look an option this inexpensive. The key, when shopping in the cheap-ass aisle of the light store, is to look for spot beam, aluminum case, waterproof, and will mount up like you want.

              I still think that if your main interest is to be seen by other traffic day or night, then the simple $20 floods in yellow are every bit as conspicuous as lights costing many hundreds of dollars more.

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                #12
                There is one quirky thing about these lights that I should mention if you're using something like the CANopener or Hex EZcan. The lights have some built in functionality that changes the mode of operation by cycling the lights off for at least 3 seconds. If the lights are turned off for a few seconds, they switch modes to strobe; or, in the case of the first rectangular floods I put on the bike, they change between several modes including yellow light and combinations of yellow and white flashing. That is an undesirable interaction with the Hex EZcan feature option that will turn off the lights when the turn signals are activated. If you enable that option on the EZcan, then after you cancel your turn signal the lights will have changed mode and be flashing or whatever. I just turned off that turn signal option in the EZcan and there's no problem and I still have the feature to adjust the brightness of the lights with the wonder wheel on the bike.

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                • EricM
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                  If you would of went with the 24$ model you would not have that problem :-P

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                • EricM
                  EricM commented
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                  Who needs more power?

                • cabnfvr
                  cabnfvr commented
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                  On the K1200RS the lights were nearly useless on a twisty mountain road, but ..... if you drop into the turn at peg scraping angles (easy to do on the RS) a sliver of light would drop from the heavens and light up your path.

                • Loggiebone
                  Loggiebone commented
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                  Likely sparks from the foot pegs!?

                #14
                That feature is on several models now.
                R1250RT
                R1250GS
                R1800 (touring models)
                R nine T
                Lee
                Iowa
                2022 R1250RS White Sport

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                • 802Mike
                  802Mike commented
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                  I worked for a lady that did mapping for GPS and she said that
                  car lights will turn by GPS not by the wheels.

                • justjoe
                  justjoe commented
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                  Yeah, no. It is a simple test. On my 650i the lights turned when the wheels turned, standing still.

                • 802Mike
                  802Mike commented
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                  On mine the corning feature only works when I'm going below 25 MPH.

                #15
                Since these lights are so freakin' bright, I decided I could live with a little less light and a little more noticeable, so I put tinted film on the lenses.



                I like these crash bar mounts that let me aim the light separately from the mounting bracket:

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