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    It's not rocket science.

    Covid 19 is spread primarily by fomite contamination in low risk settings.

    This mode of spread is typical for respiratory viruses.

    Face masks keep people from touching their mouths and noses and as a result are highly protective in low risk settings, regardless of quality.

    Even a face shield instead of a mask may remind you not to touch your face. (Some have suggested that face shields are effective in preventing infection in low risk settings even though they do not effectively contain or protect from floating infectious aerosols. They are obviously helpful in high risk settings where patients may sneeze or cough directly onto a healthcare worker's face.)

    Masks can also restrain a patient's cough or sneeze produced infectious aerosol.

    The infectious droplets settle on objects producing infectious fomties or may be directly inhaled by others.

    Masks also restrict patient's from contaminating their hands when they cough or sneeze and thereby producing infectious fomites. ("Knowing the extent of environmental contamination of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 wards is critical for improving safety practices for medical staff and answering questions about SARS-CoV-2 transmission among the public.....The rate of positivity was also relatively high for the surface of the objects that were frequently touched by medical staff or patients.....The highest rates were for computer mice (ICU 6/8, 75%; GW 1/5, 20%), followed by trash cans (ICU 3/5, 60%; GW 0/8), sickbed handrails (ICU 6/14, 42.9%; GW 0/12), and doorknobs (GW 1/12, 8.3%)." https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26...DC_333-DM25707)

    Hands should be washed after mask removal to further prevent spread.

    None of this is rocket science.

    BUT....

    For high risk* settings PPE should include:

    N95 face mask,

    Face shield,

    Protective goggles.

    High risk* includes being around / in the presence of anyone who is coughing, sneezing, febrile, etc or with a Covid diagnosis.

    Current face mask effectiveness statements by such organizations as the WHO and the CDC and those initially by the US Surgeon General, are generally based on studies in high risk situations.

    When not in the presence of infected persons, fomite spread is the basic mode of infection.

    And anything that reminds you to not touch your face, before you wash your hands, remains highly effective.

    To advise people to not wear face masks when not in high risk settings, IMHO, is unconscionable.

    And, of course, other appropriate precautions should be used, even with face masks.

    NOTE: Post #3 was copied and pasted onto the OP after being flagged as spam for too many edits.
    Last edited by wildbears; 6 days ago.

    #2
    It's common sense, which is not common these days.

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      #3
      Stay away from people and don't go indoors to the extent possible. That's not rocket science either. We're just going to have to drink on the porch at home for awhile. Click image for larger version

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      • wildbears
        wildbears commented
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        Drinking in isolation is a good idea!

        Al K. Hall is known to suppress the immune system.

        And that may partially explain the tavern related outbreaks.

      • beech
        beech commented
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        Beautiful yard, very nice.

      #4
      Just spent 5 days in Gunnison with some hooligans. Wouldn't trade that experience for a reduced risk from from possibility of Covid. Of course, I'm young, healthy and not in the "at risk" group. LOL! Seriously, though, on my risk analysis matrix, the result was a "go." Others may have a different matrix and that's fine. No one is wrong about what their own capacity for acceptable risk is.

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        #5
        Covid 19 is likely here to stay.

        Eventually you'll either get it or the vaccine.

        Even vaccinated, as with the flu, you may still get it because of seasonal mutations.

        However, even if the vaccine is not specific for the current variation, it's likely that some immunity will be provided such that a less severe illness will be experienced.
        Last edited by wildbears; 1 week ago.

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        • Bobby
          Bobby commented
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          I'm interested in the vaccine, but won't be taking it unless someone credible like Tony Fauci recommends it for older people. You can't trust anything the white house says at this point. There will likely be several variants of the Convid vaccine since there will likely different degrees of protection depending on age.

        • wildbears
          wildbears commented
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          There will be many that won't get the vaccine no matter who endorses. Same as with the flu. I've already heard concerns about autism.

        • Bobby
          Bobby commented
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          There's no changing the minds of those that think vaccines cause autism. The difference with this is that Convid is not the flu. Not taking an effective Convid vaccine makes as much sense as not taking the MMR or the polio vaccines.

        #6
        Originally posted by Bobby View Post
        Stay away from people and don't go indoors to the extent possible.
        On our trip we did not go into gas stations unless we had to .
        I think Debbie has a 10 gallon bladder and I would mark my territory when taking a pictures at the side of the road.
        We did not go into little shops at Creede and Crested Butte like we normally do.
        A couple times we made a exemption for ice cream

        Lee
        Iowa
        2016 R1200RS

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        • Bobby
          Bobby commented
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          Really glad you guys stayed safe. And appreciated all the pictures.

        • beech
          beech commented
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          I dated a lady in college, she could go through pitchers of beer and never hit the head. Always amazed me. Yes, a ice cream treat works wonder.

        #7
        We go out locally but we've already been to two restaurants that had an employee test positive. One was only a few days after we'd been there. I have no problem with people going out. I just wish they'd wear a mask and social distance. Sadly many do not.

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        • Bobby
          Bobby commented
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          Yeah, it's hard to keep vigilant about this virus. I just interacted with my neighbors but afterwards I realized I have no idea where they've been. For all I know they were bar hopping last night. This sucks....and it will continue for quite awhile.

        #8
        I spent most of my bathroom stops pissing on the side of the road , or cracking the trailer door and letting it rip at truck stops, made joe and Matt nuts I think??? What all that water by the trailer door....watch your step boys

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          #9
          Originally posted by Bobby View Post
          Stay away from people and don't go indoors to the extent possible. ]
          When all this started Debbie said she had been praying for social distancing all her life

          Before the virus we always liked our space.
          When we went to movies we went late morning or early afternoon so we didn't have to sit next to someone.
          For restaurants we tried to sit away from other and a booth with a high back was great.
          When we used to go to high school and college sporting events we hated being squeezed next to people we didn't know.
          We've been in social distance training for years

          My problem, if I know the person, I tend to touch them when talking to them. That's been a hard habit to break.

          Lee
          Iowa
          2016 R1200RS

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            #10
            I've been using social distancing and face masks during the cold and flu season for years (plus the annual flu shot).

            And have not been sick for a couple of decades.

            Even the regular flu can put you on your back for a week or two or kill you if you have risk factors.

            But due to the extra precautions for Covid 19, this and next year's influenza related deaths may be lower than average.
            Last edited by wildbears; 1 week ago.

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            • 955i
              955i commented
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              I last got the flu vaccine during the 1976 Swine Flu panic. It must have worked. I have not gotten another vaccine since and haven't been sick for decades, either.

            #11
            Safer air travel???

            The air nozzles over each seat supply clean air (filtered or outside depending on the age of the plane).

            Set them to put a breeze directly on your face to provide some protection.

            Should be in addition to distancing, masks, and even face shields these days.

            I've sat next to sick people coughing and sneezing on many flights in the pass, sans PPE, and using this technique, have never contracted anything.
            Last edited by wildbears; 1 week ago.

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            • 955i
              955i commented
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              Plus, the way pressurization works on a modern aircraft, generally requires a continual complete pass-through of air on a pretty short period of time,

            #12
            Originally posted by Lee View Post

            My problem, if I know the person, I tend to touch them when talking to them. That's been a hard habit to break.
            In trying to be kind, I'd say that you may fall in between being a toucher, leaning towards groper!
            ain't skeered

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            • 955i
              955i commented
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              Susan, Cathy says you are, indeed, kind.

            #13
            Originally posted by Susan View Post

            In trying to be kind, I'd say that you may fall in between being a toucher, leaning towards groper!


            Most of my family and relatives on my mother's side are the same way.
            Debbie grew up in a family where nobody hugged. It took her awhile to get used to my relatives
            Lee
            Iowa
            2016 R1200RS

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            • cabnfvr
              cabnfvr commented
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              Do you have a stopwatch too ??

            #14
            Common sense, maybe not


            https://youtu.be/pZiGJUbxqww
            Last edited by BillGsa; 1 week ago.

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              #15
              Originally posted by BillGsa View Post
              Common sense, maybe not


              https://youtu.be/pZiGJUbxqww
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              Lee
              Iowa
              2016 R1200RS

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